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Muscle Testing / Applied Kinesiology
January 8, 2016
8:14 pm
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Marc Velez
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I read with great interest the thread on Electro-meridian imaging and EAVas it pertains to our practice of CM. There is also a technique that is utilized by chiropractors, functional medicine nutritionists and others purporting to be able to detect and eliminate allergies. However, as it is a "manual" technique (i.e. not utilizing electronics or other equipment) I felt it better to create a new thread rather than adding on to the old one that seemed more specific to electronic testing devices.

I am, of course, referring to "muscle testing" used to detect whether a substance is compatible with the body, or to detect "latent viruses" etc that are creating problems in the body. I place the term in quotations as this approach is distinctly different than the muscle testing utilized by physical therapists. I imagine most of you are familiar with what I am writing about.

Again we are faced with the possibility of another diagnostic method that could have profound benefit for our practice but unfortunately suffers from a lack of scientific validation and subsequent controversy.

Do any of you have experience with this type of muscle testing technique, and if so, how efficacious do you feel it is?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this matter laugh

January 8, 2016
10:42 pm
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On the one hand I'd never discount a person's capacity to derive information from a specific method given their level of cultivation. It's a big universe filled with unknown possibilities and a mystery at the heart of it. 

On the other hand, I think there's a significant degree to which people delude themselves in terms of, "Whatever I think or do is as real as anything else."

On average I can understand muscle testing a general 3rd tier diagnostic although authentically psychic people, who are few and far between, likely could get more out of it. 

Chinese medicine has such nuanced theory and philosophy behind it that is so well articulated. The pulse with 85 qualities, 9 depths, 50 positions has such a highly articulated physiology and cosmology to support it. Muscle testing just seems fairly gross and, for the average chiro who does it, there's just no cosmology that it's self consciously integrated into. 

It often sees outright delusional to me. And, again, I'd never discount anything in the right hands. A close friend just told me that she aims laser beams at dolls that "holographically image" her patients. and that its VERY effective for dissolving nodules, scar tissue, etc. On the one hand I think this is voodoo (literally) and that CM has come very much farther at leading edge by the time the Nei Jing was written. On the other hand....There is  a mystery at the heart of things and I've stranger things in my own practice where people had responses that were miraculous and shocked even me. . . . 

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January 11, 2016
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Thank you for your thoughtful reply, Lonny. It is an interesting phenomenon that has emerged with the use of muscle testing. I have many patients that present to the clinic with Lyme, Bartonella, radiation, candida, etc that was "diagnosed" by their chiro or nutritionist. However, I often do not see or feel corresponding pathology indicators in pulse, tongue or presentation otherwise.

This presents an ethical dilemma for me as I do not wish to undermine their confidence in their other practitioner and yet sometimes I don't think the other practitioner is taking the best possible approach... I start by keeping my mouth shut and treating according to what I see/find...

January 11, 2016
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In the right hands, I have seen Applied Kinesiology work wonders (even in my own life with a very talented MD--Ed Garbacz--you met him Lonny when you presented here).

And then there are those who don't know what they don't know and misuse the technique and elevate themselves to the level of the expert just because of patients' desperation. In my experience, most fall into this category (as in many things).

January 11, 2016
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I had a patient's chiropractor tell him through muscle testing whether or not the herbal remedies I prescribed were right for him and how much of each he should take. In some people, muscle testing seems to provide a sense of confidence that they don't seem to have in their own skills and abilities to make discernments.

January 11, 2016
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Mark, I've seen hundreds of cases of lyme and it can be very subtle to discern in chronic cases. But it can also be a wast basket DX like "Chronic fatigue" and "fibromyalgia" were in the 80s and "mono" was in the 70s.

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